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PHILIP GREENSPUN: Hi.

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We're going to talk
about seaplanes.

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And there's two
different designs.

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You can have a
boat hull seaplane,

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or you can have a conventional
airplane on floats.

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So there at the bottom left
is part of the Grumman series.

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They made a huge number of
these around World War II,

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and many of them
are still flying.

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You can see always probably
15 or 20 of these at Oshkosh

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every year in different sizes.

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The Widgeon is the smallest.

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The Albatross is the biggest.

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I forget if that's a Martin
Mars up there on the top left.

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There are some truly
huge seaplanes.

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Boeing, Sikorsky,
and Martin, I think,

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all made huge seaplanes during
World War II and just before.

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The bush pilots don't like
the small boat hull seaplanes,

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like the Lake Amphibian.

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And I guess the
Icon they probably

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wouldn't like if it ever did
ship out there to Alaska.

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I think one issue with
the boat hull planes is

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they are very hard to dock.

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You have to design some
special dock for them.

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They're really designed
more for beaching,

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whereas the float
planes very naturally

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come up to a dock like a boat.

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That's one issue.

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So yeah, you might think those
float planes look so unstable,

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but the bush pilots love them.

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It's hard to get on and
off the water, which

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is why a practical seaplane
really should have,

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in most cases, a
turbo prop engine

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to get enough power to
really get off the water.

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So we do have, in
Alaska, locally--

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it's called Maine.

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There's a fair amount of
seaplane flying up there.

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These are a couple of
US government planes.

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If you want to know
why your taxes are

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going in the direction
that they're going,

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look on the bottom right.

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That was the government's.

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I saw these two plane
side by side on the ramp.

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Portland, Maine
has a wonderful FBO

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called MAC Jets, which
is very hospitable.

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They have crew cars,
reasonably priced 100 low lead.

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They're really just operating it
as a gift to the piston crowd,

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of course.

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They're really there
for the turbine--

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as a business, they're
there for the Jets.

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But it's a great place
that you can use, and jump

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in the crew car, go into town.

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But anyway, on the
ramp, I happened

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to see there's a little Piston
Cessna on floats that they

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bought 15 or 20 years ago
for Fish and Wildlife patrol

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or something.

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I think this is a federal
government airplane.

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And now, they have
this monster thing

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that they're replacing
it with, that has

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a fire-breathing turboprop
engine that probably costs five

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times as much per hour to run.

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OK.

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Every year in September, there
is the Moosehead Lake Seaplane

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Fly-in.

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And you might ask, can you fly
in the air in the East Coast

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Aero Club plane
that you've rented?

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The answer is yes,
although you probably

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can't fly back out if you
choose the lake as your landing

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destination.

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But there is a wheeled
airport there as well

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that's pretty reasonable.

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I think it's about
a 4,000-foot runway.

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So if the weather's nice,
that's a great place

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to go, up in Moosehead Lake.

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It's a long drive.

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It's about probably a
five-hour drive from here.

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The hard thing
about seaplanes is

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if the float is all
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it will never take off.

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There's so much drag.

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You have to get up
on the step, which

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if you're a boater corresponds
to getting up on the plane,

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I guess, of a planing haul.

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So basically, you can't have
the entire float in the water

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if you ever want to take off.

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Let's just show a short
YouTube video here.

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We have no sound.

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Oh well, that's fine.

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So you can see this
Caravan on floats.

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I think it's a Caravan.

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It's beginning to
get up on the step.

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And finally, it can break loose.

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Anyway, that's how it's done.

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Crosswind landing--
this is how it's

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done, according to the FAA.

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So the FAA's mission--

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[LAUGHTER]

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The FAA's mission
is, in addition

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to regulating aviation,
they're explicitly

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supposed to promote aviation.

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It's a rare agency.

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So part of their mission is
to encourage people to fly.

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And this is the best that
they can do for seaplanes.

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So it does tell you--

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Like I was telling you,
the problem with seaplanes

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is if you make an error on
Hanscom on Runway 29, first

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of all, it's 150 feet wide.

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And the gear on your airplane
might only be 10 feet wide.

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So you can slide quite a bit,
left or right, before you even

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leave the pavement.

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If you do leave the
pavement, you're

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skidding along the
grass, and the owner

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is going to have some harsh
words for you, perhaps.

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But otherwise, nothing too
dramatic is going to happen.

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Glassy-- this is the
FAA's glassy water landing

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demonstration.

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So if there is no wind at all,
you might think, that's great.

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That's perfect for
seaplane flying.

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It's hard to judge
where the water is.

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A little bit of wind that
causes some ripples on the water

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makes it much easier
to judge your distance.

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So here's your alternatives.

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You can not flare at all, and
crash into the water that way.

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Or you can flare too high,
and then crash into the water.

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What's that?

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AUDIENCE: Those are
the only possibilities.

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PHILIP GREENSPUN: Those
are the only possibilities.

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What's the question,
radar altimeter?

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AUDIENCE: No.

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So hello.

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For seaplanes, do you wait until
you have seen VR before while

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taking off, or do you have
the floats clear the water

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and [? take ?] [? off? ?]

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PHILIP GREENSPUN:
The question is,

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do you wait until
VR to take off,

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or do you just wait till the
floats have cleared the water

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and take off?

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That's a good question.

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It's so inefficient to be
dragged into the water.

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I think you lift out of the
water just as soon as you can.

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And then you'll
probably float-- you'll

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fly along the ground
effect for a little bit,

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and then finally take off.

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But yeah, just like on a soft
field, like slightly muddy

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grass or something, the
best thing you can do

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is to get away from the
surface that's dragging on you.

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Great question.

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All right.

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Here's the docking and beaching.

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So one challenge
with a seaplane,

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if you're all by yourself, is
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agile and nimble to get out
of the plane, kill the engine,

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scramble around usually
the front of the airplane

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and the propeller-- because
you're sitting on the left,

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and the passengers are going
to get off on the right--

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and tie up the
airplane to the dock.

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It's very hard to do.

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That's one of the
hardest things,

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I think, about seaplanes.

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And also, if the magnetos
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airplane engines can
start by themselves.

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After saying we shouldn't
tell you stuff that's scary--

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if it's not perfectly
grounded by that switch,

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and you don't starve
the engine of the fuel

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by killing it with
the mixture, it

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may be able to start all
by itself, at least run

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for a half a rotation or full
rotation, and hurt somebody.

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So you always want to be
cautious around propellers

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and not spin them.

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But of course, if you're
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the front of your
seaplane, the propeller

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is the most obvious
thing to grab onto.

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Anyway, I don't
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want to fly a seaplane unless
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were going to deal with
that part of welcoming

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the airplane to the dock
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But of course, the folks in
Alaska do this all the time.

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So have respect when
you see a seaplane.

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So there are a lot of bad
things that you can do.

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Believe it or not, landing
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that's almost-- in practice,
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on a seaplane because there's
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that really-- for
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if you have more
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if the waves are more
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it just bangs up the seaplane
so much that it will be damaged.

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Landing the amphibious
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down is one of the
most common mistakes.

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You might think
software would fix

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this, that if you have
a database of where

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all the runways are in the US,
you have a database of where

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the lakes are, and
other bodies of water--

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but you don't even
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So you could have a lot.

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You could have a
camera out in the front

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that can tell the difference
between water and not water.

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So you would think that
the airplane would provide

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significant assistance in
configuring an amphibious plane

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with having their wheels down
for a hard surface or just

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the bare floats for water.

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And there's very little
of that, unfortunately.

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There's certainly nothing
like the intelligence

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that I'm describing.

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You might be able
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and have the plane tell you,
with the synthesized voices

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and aftermarket thing, "the
wheels are down for runway

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landing" or something.

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So one common thing
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not that common, but this is
an illustration of why you

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might want a two-pilot crew.

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But there's a video
that's linked here

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from the slide about a father--

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so he sounds like a good
pilot, and a careful pilot.

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He was with his son, and
he left the wheels down,

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landed in the water, flipped it
over, and the son was killed.

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Really tragic.

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So watch that if
you want to cry.

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But anyway, I think
it's a good illustration

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of a seaplane-- an amphibious
seaplane operation is

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a great example of where a
two-pilot crew with a checklist

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would be very unlikely to
have that kind of accident.

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So it also illustrates
how it's too bad

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that these manned
airplanes don't

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have one one-hundreth of the
intelligence of a DGI drone.

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There are rare exceptions.

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Like I said, at Burning Man,
the terrain warning system had

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to be silenced because it was
freaking out that we were not

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going to make it, even
though there was a 5,000-foot

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temporary runway that
had been rolled out there

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by the Burners--

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the uber Burners.

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Salt waters-- people
do this commercially,

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but the airplane
has to be hosed off

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every day because the saltwater
is corrosive, even to aluminum.

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Question.

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AUDIENCE: Lakes and
harbors tend to have

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a lot of people on them.

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How do you avoid hitting
a swimmer or a boater?

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PHILIP GREENSPUN:
Yeah, how do you

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avoid hitting swimmers and
boaters in lakes and harbors?

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Yeah, that's one of the
challenges of seaplanes.

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If you're cleared to
land in an airport,

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the air traffic controller
has looked out on the runway

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and made sure that there's
no other aircraft, pretty

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sure that there is no
deer on the runway.

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The seaplane you
have to orbit around.

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It's a little bit like landing
a helicopter off airport

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to really make sure that
there's nobody in a canoe.

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I will tell you that for my
seaplane training up in Maine,

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I have a seaplane rating
that I got up in Maine.

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And there's a great school
up there called Twitchell's.

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But anyway, yeah,
kayakers can paddle

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pretty fast when they see a
seaplane in their vicinity.

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Head towards the shore.

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But yeah, there could
be a log in the water.

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So there's just-- there
are hazards that you

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can't control and get rid of.

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So the accident rate
does tend to be higher.

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In the military-- I think
there's a slide later where we

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talk about that--

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they've gotten away from
seaplanes and into helicopters

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for that reason.

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Just so you know,
the helicopter--

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you can be down to within two
feet of the ground and say,

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I don't like what I see.

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I'm going to go somewhere else.

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The propeller tends
to get beaten up.

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You'll see some
seaplane designs where

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the propeller is up
high and in the back,

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and that's to keep the water--

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the propeller's going near
supersonic speeds at the tips.

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So if it gets water on
it, it'll be eroded.

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Same deal with flying your
airplane in heavy rain.

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You can get erosion on the
leading edges of the wing

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and on the prop.

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All right.

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So yeah, the
seaplane pilot skills

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include a lot more judgment.

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To some extent, they'll be
the dimensions of these lakes.

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And in Alaska, there's even
a lighted water runway.

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But generally speaking, you
don't have a lot of information

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to go by.

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So you've got to evaluate
all this stuff by yourself.

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One thing you can do--

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I'll use this coffee
cup as an example.

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You can usually see where
the wind's coming from.

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If there's trees
all around the lake,

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the lake will be calm right
next to-- let's assume

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this coffee cup is a tree.

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The lake will be calm and
glassy right next to the tree.

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And that tells you the wind
is coming from this direction,

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because that part of the lake is
being sheltered from the wind.

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So you can actually read
the wind off the lake

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by looking at which
parts are rippled

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and which parts are glassy.

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But you still have
to decide, right,

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are there floating
logs in the water?

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Are there swimmers?

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Are there boats?

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Here are some unusual skills
that you have to have--

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well, you might have to have.

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After maintenance-- or to
get the airplane maintained.

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Ah!

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All right.

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So that was straight
floats in the grass.

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So at the end of
the season, if you

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want to get the
airplane maintained,

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there's not a lot of
airplane mechanics hanging

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around the typical lake.

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So you just land
it on the floats

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in the grass at an airport.

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And what about when
you want to get it out?

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Yeah.

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To get the sound,
watch that at home.

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So as I said earlier, the
problem with seaplanes

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is that it's just a lot less
forgiving than a hard surface

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runway, which is the most
forgiving environment.

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You can enhance that safety
with a two-pilot crew,

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especially an experienced
seaplane pilot, or--

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fair stuff, it'll
be on the test--

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you can learn about
accident reporting.

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So this is a different part
of the federal regulations.

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This is the part that
regulates what the NTSB does--

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National Transportation
Safety Board.

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So first, they define
what an accident is.

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So there has to be
a serious injury.

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And if you go in
there, they define

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what a serious injury is.

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And I think substantial
damage to the aircraft--

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if it's just the landing
gear that's a bit trashed,

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I don't think that qualifies.

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If somebody dies within
30 days of the accident,

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it becomes fatal.

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Here's your definition
of serious injury--

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not too much fun.

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You have to immediately notify
the NTSB if the flight controls

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malfunction.

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They don't really care if the
Lycoming or continental piston

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engine fails in some way.

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But if the flight
controls fail, and you

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can't bank your Cessna
or Piper or Cirrus,

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that's something they'll
want to hear about.

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If more than half of your
glass cockpit goes dark,

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they want to hear about that.

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I think 830.15 is in
the test something.

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There's time
periods, like report

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within 10 days of the accident.

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Oh yeah, and required
info when notifying.

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OK.

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So the bottom line
on seaplanes is

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that it does combine the
hazards of a boat and a plane.

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And therefore, you
need the skills

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of both a sailor and a pilot
to manage those hazards.

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On the other hand, I
think it's a lot of fun.

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When the Icon first came
out at $100,000 and change,

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I thought, oh, this
would be great.

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We'll just get one of these.

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We'll split it four ways.

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We'll keep it at
Hanscom, and we'll

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go up for a 15-minute
flight to New Hampshire--

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splash and dash, come back,
and it'll be really cool.

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Now that it's a $400,000
airplane, it's not enough--

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
seven days.

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[? But ?] [? that ?] said,
what does overdue mean?

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PHILIP GREENSPUN: Overdue.

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The question is-- go
back to that slide.

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Yeah-- file a report
within seven days

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if an aircraft is overdue.

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So that means you expect
an airplane to come back

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from the fishing camp in
Alaska and it hasn't returned.

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So you don't know if
it's crashed or not.

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That was like me.

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Remember I told you that story
about landing a PBK in Atlanta?

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And I forgot to
close my flight plan.

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And so my Diamond Star
was considered overdue.

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And I kept rejecting calls from
an unfamiliar phone number--

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not my proudest moment.

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All right.

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So insurance is kind of
expensive, as I noted,

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especially for the amphibs.

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An airplane on straight floats
isn't that much more expensive

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to insure than a
regular airplane.

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Actually, that's a great
way to evaluate risk.

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If an insurance company
is willing to write

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a policy for a Cessna on floats,
it can't be all that dangerous.

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But like I said, the
military has decided,

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let's do most of the things
we used to do with seaplanes

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with helicopters.

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Question?

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AUDIENCE: Insurance [INAUDIBLE]
delayed [INAUDIBLE]..

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What about-- so
our insurance-- we

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[? haven't ?] had
personal insurance.

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So if we fly, but
we hurt ourselves,

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is our medical coverage
going to cover that?

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So you're saying [INAUDIBLE].

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PHILIP GREENSPUN: Oh, no.

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I think-- so the
question is, does

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your regular medical insurance
cover an injury from flying?

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00:19:06,770 --> 00:19:07,270
Sure.

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Yeah, there's no
exclusion for that.

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I think somebody if you
get an umbrella liability

402
00:19:11,140 --> 00:19:13,540
policy they say,
well, that's great

403
00:19:13,540 --> 00:19:15,520
but we're not going to
like to add $5 million

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if you injure somebody
with your Cessna.

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So they can have exclusions.

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AOPA has a big insurance
business, actually,

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selling life insurance at pretty
reasonable rates to pilots.

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So there, again,
that tells you--

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when your friend
says, you're stupid,

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why would you fly a
Piper or a Cessna?

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That thing's old.

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It doesn't look safe.

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You can say, well, insurance
companies aren't stupid,

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and they have a huge business
marketing life insurance

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to the members of AOPA,
who are all flying

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little airplanes like this.

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And it's only a 10% higher
rate than what you can

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get in the market elsewhere.

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Of course, pilots are
healthier than the--

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that's one issue, right?

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Since pilots by definition
have passed a medical exam,

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they tend to be a little
bit healthier than average.

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Same reason, like the
military-- the death rate

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of people who serve
in the military

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is quite a bit lower than the
death rate of the same age

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people who are in the
civilian workforce,

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partly because not that many
of them are actually in combat,

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and partly because
the military rejects

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people who are unhealthy.

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So you're not going to
die of cancer at age 23

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if you're in the military,
because they would have not let

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you enlist,
probably, if they saw

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that you were suffering from
the beginning stages of cancer.

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All right.

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Light sport flying boats--

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Searey is fun.

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This is a real one.

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There are 700 of
these out there,

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and they sell it as a kit.

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And they also sell it
as a built airplane.

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So here it is--

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look how much fun.

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Somebody put one
of these on a yacht

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and flew it in all different
parts of the world.

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They would take off--

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I guess they would winch
it down into the water,

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take off, fly around, and
then winch it back up.

448
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And I think they were in some
fairly open oceans at the time.

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And the thing survived,
so that's pretty cool.

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They stuff a Garmin G3X
glass cockpit in there.

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And that's the same thing
as the Gamebird has.

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The white sport folks
have a lot of flexibility.

453
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It has a road tax engine,
which is conventional.

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The Icon A5 is the airplane--
see, look at Oshkosh.

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Their booth is always packed.

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People love it.

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People want it.

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And it's one of
the few airplanes

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that's marketed to people
that don't have any flying

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experience.

461
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I wrote a review of it
in 2010, saying that it

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would be available in 2014.

463
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I think it had been
originally promised for 2012.

464
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So it's just coming out.

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These composite planes
are hard to manufacturer.

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I talked to the Gamebird guys.

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They said they spend 500 hours--

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500 person hours--
prepping the airplane

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to be painted, just like
sanding, and smoothing

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everything to be painted.

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So I think it's just very
hard to make these things

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at an economical price.

473
00:22:10,970 --> 00:22:14,440
We still don't have sound,
I don't think, do we?

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Here's my review of the plane.

475
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I made this little
video that was fun.

476
00:22:19,835 --> 00:22:20,960
Well, I thought it was fun.

477
00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,720
I'm sure Icon doesn't
think it's fun.

478
00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:24,220
All right.

479
00:22:24,220 --> 00:22:25,740
Questions about seaplanes?

480
00:22:28,810 --> 00:22:29,500
Who wants one?

481
00:22:29,500 --> 00:22:33,690
Who would buy an Icon if
it were reasonably priced?

482
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A lot of people's questions.

483
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AUDIENCE: You were talking about
[INAUDIBLE] sides of a lake,

484
00:22:37,695 --> 00:22:39,130
and don't land out at sea.

485
00:22:39,130 --> 00:22:42,600
But what would be your
opinion about the Great Lakes?

486
00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,280
I know sometimes the waves
can be higher than a foot.

487
00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,111
But when you just look
at it, [INAUDIBLE]

488
00:22:47,111 --> 00:22:49,538
judge what the
waves [INAUDIBLE]..

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PHILIP GREENSPUN: The question
is, what would, by my opinion,

490
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be a landing in the Great Lakes?

491
00:22:53,413 --> 00:22:57,120
I think people do a lot
of flying of seaplanes

492
00:22:57,120 --> 00:22:58,620
up in the Great Lakes.

493
00:22:58,620 --> 00:23:00,900
But there again, the Great
Lakes-- there are harbors.

494
00:23:00,900 --> 00:23:01,920
There are calmer areas.

495
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,485
So I think they're
not really landing

496
00:23:03,485 --> 00:23:04,860
in the middle of
the Great Lakes.

497
00:23:04,860 --> 00:23:06,750
And then, they don't
say, I just want

498
00:23:06,750 --> 00:23:09,300
to go to the middle of
Lake Superior and fish

499
00:23:09,300 --> 00:23:10,470
off the float for a while.

500
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:12,060
They're going to
some destination,

501
00:23:12,060 --> 00:23:14,400
and by definition,
the destination

502
00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:20,340
will have a calmer area
for boats to hang out in.

503
00:23:20,340 --> 00:23:23,190
I think there's actually
a commercial seaplane

504
00:23:23,190 --> 00:23:28,820
service that's starting up
between Manhattan and Boston.

505
00:23:28,820 --> 00:23:30,900
So you'll go to the--

506
00:23:30,900 --> 00:23:32,782
there's a seaplane--

507
00:23:32,782 --> 00:23:33,990
I should have mentioned this.

508
00:23:33,990 --> 00:23:36,707
For helicopters, there are
helipads all around Manhattan.

509
00:23:36,707 --> 00:23:38,790
So you can actually go to
the downtown Wall Street

510
00:23:38,790 --> 00:23:40,725
heliport, land--

511
00:23:40,725 --> 00:23:41,850
it used to be really cheap.

512
00:23:41,850 --> 00:23:45,870
It was $75 an hour for
parking, I think, or maybe $25.

513
00:23:45,870 --> 00:23:49,630
I don't know, it wasn't that
much more than parking a car.

514
00:23:49,630 --> 00:23:51,060
Go in and have lunch.

515
00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:53,700
Now, they've leased
those helipads

516
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:56,260
to some government crony
monopoly that owns all three

517
00:23:56,260 --> 00:23:56,760
of them.

518
00:23:56,760 --> 00:24:01,890
And they cranked the rates up
by a factor of four immediately.

519
00:24:01,890 --> 00:24:04,180
But anyway, I don't know
if it's the same company,

520
00:24:04,180 --> 00:24:11,310
but they have a public seaplane
port there on the East River.

521
00:24:11,310 --> 00:24:14,190
And I think it's a Cape
Air affiliate, maybe,

522
00:24:14,190 --> 00:24:16,785
that's going to start
operating downtown to downtown

523
00:24:16,785 --> 00:24:19,700
in a Cessna Caravan on floats.