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AMANDA MOK: So right
now we're going

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to talk about the different
styles of leadership.

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Last week, we looked at
different movie clips and music

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clips, and now we're going
to look at, actually,

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like characterized leaders.

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And so first of all, we have--

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I don't have all the handouts,
because it didn't print out.

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LAUREN RODDA: Yeah.

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That's fine.

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Can you guys bring
down the boards?

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So we're going to do a little
brainstorming session here.

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So there's lots of
types of leaderships,

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and you can't generalize.

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You know?

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It's very-- this is just one
way to categorize leaders.

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So not that you necessarily
know what all these words mean,

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but what do you guys
think some of these are?

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You can add to any of
them, but let's start

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with transformational.

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What do you think a
transformational leader would

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be?

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OK.

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Go for it.

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AUDIENCE: Someone who believes
in change and [INAUDIBLE]

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a lot of the change.

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LAUREN RODDA: Good.

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Anybody else?

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AUDIENCE: Innovation.

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AMANDA MOK: Hm?

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AUDIENCE: Innovation?

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LAUREN RODDA: Innovation.

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OK.

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What else?

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What else do we add up there?

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AMANDA MOK: Who do you think
are transformational leaders?

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How about coaches?

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Athletes?

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AUDIENCE: Barack Obama.

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LAUREN RODDA: Barack Obama.

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AMANDA MOK: Obama was a change.

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Yes.

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AUDIENCE: A leader will help
people rise above what they

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are right now, will help them
get higher in what they do.

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LAUREN RODDA: So a
person who promot--

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believes in promot--
can you say it?

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Like--

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AUDIENCE: Like help
people rise above

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and help what they can
do, help to achieve

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what they want to do.

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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Promoting others.

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AMANDA MOK: Can
you think of anyone

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who is a transformational
leader in your life?

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For instance, if
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does your coach inspire
you to change yourself?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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Look at things differently.

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AMANDA MOK: Who else could
take that role in society?

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AUDIENCE: Parents?

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LAUREN RODDA: Feel free
to disagree or agree.

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AUDIENCE: Bosses.

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AMANDA MOK: Bosses.

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AUDIENCE: Teachers.

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AMANDA MOK: Teachers.

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AUDIENCE: Friends?

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AMANDA MOK: Friends, yeah.

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Friends would
generally change you.

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

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AMANDA MOK:
Basically, the premise

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of a transformational
leader is a person

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that makes change in
whatever group they want to.

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They want to alter something
about the world around them,

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and that's how they
bring about their goal.

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LAUREN RODDA: Very often,
they have a clear vision,

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inspirational leaders.

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AMANDA MOK: And then we
have transactional leaders.

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So does anybody know
what a transaction is?

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Like, when you buy something,
you're exchanging money,

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and you're getting
an object back.

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Right?

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So let's say I buy a shirt.

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So I'm transacting
money for this shirt.

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So transactional leaders
work in the same way.

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They say, if you do this for
me, I'll give you some benefit.

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And that's how they get
people to do what they want.

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AUDIENCE: JFK.

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AMANDA MOK: JFK?

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How so?

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AUDIENCE: His quote?

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AMANDA MOK: Huh?

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AUDIENCE: His quote.

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"Ask not what your
country can do for you,

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ask what you can do
for your country."

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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But are you supposed to get
something back from that?

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AUDIENCE: Yes.

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AMANDA MOK: What do you get?

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AUDIENCE: Results.

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AMANDA MOK: What other
leaders are there

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out there that do that?

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AUDIENCE: Corporation leaders.

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The ones who lead a
corporation and get it

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richer, and they get
the money in return

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for promoting--
like [INAUDIBLE]..

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LAUREN RODDA: So whenever
you work at a job, right?

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You're getting
something for helping

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with some vision or some goal.

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AMANDA MOK: For
instance, every company

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always has a mission statement
or a vision statement.

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And as an employee
of that company,

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you're helping
towards that mission,

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but in return,
you're getting money.

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So that's the sort of
transaction dilemma

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that's going on.

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LAUREN RODDA: But does it
have to be always money?

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Is that the only
reward you can get?

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Money is the only thing
that will motivate

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people to do something?

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AUDIENCE: Something
as moral support.

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LAUREN RODDA: Moral support.

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I heard something back there.

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AUDIENCE: I said in most cases.

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LAUREN RODDA: In most cases.

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Well, OK.

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What about the other cases?

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AUDIENCE: Time?

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LAUREN RODDA: Time.

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OK.

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What else?

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Other motivating factors.

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AUDIENCE: Like, they're
actually doing something good.

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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And we'll write morals.

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AUDIENCE: I didn't see any--

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LAUREN RODDA: Oh?

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What did you say?

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AUDIENCE: Power?

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LAUREN RODDA: Power.

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What kind of power?

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AUDIENCE: Well, it's a dictator.

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LAUREN RODDA: No, that's valid.

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That's valid.

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AUDIENCE: You need-- well,
a lot of times, dictators

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are put into their
positions by the people,

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and the people expect to
get something out of it.

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Some kind of changes,
like probably

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the government, just the way
that they [INTERPOSING VOICES]..

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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Yes.

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Very good.

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Do you think, in systems with
transactional leadership,

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there's discipline involved?

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Like very set goals,
very set levels of where

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you fit in the hierarchy?

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Or is it just wishy-washy?

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I give you this, you
give me this back?

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Where there are rewards, do
there have to be punishments?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: The golden rule.

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LAUREN RODDA: What?

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AUDIENCE: The golden rule.

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LAUREN RODDA: Golden rule?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: Sometimes a
bad transactional leader

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[INAUDIBLE] trades in the black
market and stuff like that.

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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Well, you said yeah.

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AMANDA MOK: There have to
be punishments in addition

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to rewards.

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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Because like you would
want to do one thing

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and then get
something out of it.

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And depending on
what you do, you

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can something good or
something bad out of it.

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I mean, in work, you get money.

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You break the law, you
go to jail, [INAUDIBLE]..

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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So law enforcement is
very transactional, right?

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How about charismatic leaders?

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What is charisma?

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AUDIENCE: People
who draw a crowd.

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The ability to be able to
speak to a bunch of people

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without letting them get bored
and able to persuade them

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to your ideals.

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AMANDA MOK: Did
everyone hear that?

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No?

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You want to say it louder?

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AUDIENCE: The ability
to draw in a crowd,

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to be able to tell
them what they can do

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and to be able to
persuade them to accept

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your ideals and your goals.

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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So charisma can be also
said to be the ability

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to speak to people and get them
to understand your message.

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Right?

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Who are some charismatic
leaders we can think of,

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in today's politics, perhaps?

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AUDIENCE: Obama.

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AMANDA MOK: Obama.

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Go on.

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Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE].

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AMANDA MOK: How
about in the past?

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History?

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AUDIENCE: MLK.

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LAUREN RODDA: No,
that's pretty good.

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Oprah's fine.

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AMANDA MOK: Oprah.

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Yeah?

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AUDIENCE: Charles Manson?

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AMANDA MOK: Who?

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AUDIENCE: Charles Manson.

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AMANDA MOK: Yeah.

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You were saying?

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AUDIENCE: MLK.

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AMANDA MOK: MLK.

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AUDIENCE: Thomas Jefferson?

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AMANDA MOK: Thomas Jefferson.

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All these very
charismatic people

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got a message to a lot
of people to get them--

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AUDIENCE: John Lennon?

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AUDIENCE: Benjamin Franklin?

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LAUREN RODDA: Yeah.

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Very good.

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AUDIENCE: Hitler.

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AMANDA MOK: Ooh.

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So--

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AUDIENCE: It is true.

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AMANDA MOK: Is he charismatic?

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Yes?

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AUDIENCE: Yes.

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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AUDIENCE: But not in a good way.

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AUDIENCE: It could
be in a good way.

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LAUREN RODDA: Well,
was he effective?

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AUDIENCE: Yes.

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LAUREN RODDA: There we go.

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He got a whole country
under his thumb.

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AUDIENCE: Gandhi?

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LAUREN RODDA: Gandhi.

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That was good.

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All set.

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AUDIENCE: I can't even
remember them all.

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Is there a difference
between good leadership

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and a good leader?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: Hitler
was a good leader,

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but he wasn't good in the
black and white sense.

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AUDIENCE: No, he had
good leadership skills,

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[INAUDIBLE] that doesn't
mean he was a good person.

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LAUREN RODDA: I heard a
lot more yeses out there.

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Let me hear from the second row.

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Sam.

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Samantha?

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What do you think?

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AUDIENCE: Well,
yes, [INAUDIBLE] you

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could be a good leader where you
could get people to follow you

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[INAUDIBLE].

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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AUDIENCE: Morals and motives
play an important role

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in leadership.

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Kind of what the leader wants
[INAUDIBLE] more power as

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opposed to [INAUDIBLE].

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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And then--

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AMANDA MOK: Are we moving on?

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LAUREN RODDA: Sure.

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AMANDA MOK: Then we
have servant leaders.

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So basically, servant
leaders, instead of saying,

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I'm going to be the leader of my
group, they say to themselves,

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I want to help these
people, and this

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is how I'm going to
give them my service.

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So what kind of people do you
think-- or what examples can

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you give me of servant leaders
[INAUDIBLE] other people.

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AUDIENCE: The president is
supposed to be that way.

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AMANDA MOK: Hm?

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AUDIENCE: The president's
supposed to be that way.

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AMANDA MOK: Is he supposed to?

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Is he?

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Roosevelt?

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How so?

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AUDIENCE: Because he had
a plan to help the people.

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Help the people get
out of the Depression.

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And the laws he passed and
the programs he created

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were designed to
help other people.

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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Any other examples?

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AUDIENCE: Yeah.

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Chamberlain.

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AMANDA MOK: Who?

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AUDIENCE: [INAUDIBLE]
Chamberlain.

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Which war was this?

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World War II.

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The people in England, they
didn't want to go to fight,

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and Chamberlain was like, yeah.

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You don't want to go to fight?

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We'll make a speech about peace.

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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So representing for you the
thoughts from the people you're

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actually supposed to
represent accurately.

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Who else was a servant leader?

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AUDIENCE: Gandhi?

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AMANDA MOK: Gandhi.

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AUDIENCE: What's the
name [INAUDIBLE]??

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AMANDA MOK: Do you
want to explain more?

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I don't know who [INAUDIBLE].

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AUDIENCE: He was a guy
who lived in Warsaw,

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and he tried to [INAUDIBLE] that
children's education is more

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important than what you guys
do, and they respected also her

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[INAUDIBLE].

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AMANDA MOK: OK.

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What about Mother Theresa?

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What was her goal in
life, and how did she

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work to do her mission?

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AUDIENCE: She tried
to help the poor.

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She tried to-- a lot of people
in India were really, really

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poor, and some
didn't have homes.

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Some live on the streets and
didn't have something to eat.

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So she tried to set
up homes and stuff

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so that they could have food
to eat and a place to stay.

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So she helped them.

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AMANDA MOK: And in doing
so, did she sort of become

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a leader of that movement?

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Volunteering, helping other
people who are in need?

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AUDIENCE: Mhm.

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LAUREN RODDA: Zura,
what do you think?

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AUDIENCE: Prophet
Muhmmad, he was a prophet.

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Prophet Muhammad.

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I think he was a very
good [INAUDIBLE]..

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He was a servant from God.

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And he did a lot of things to
help the poor and the needy.

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He also considered himself
like them, so [INAUDIBLE]..

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LAUREN RODDA: So empathy?

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Do you think empathy is
important for some reason?

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AUDIENCE: Putting
people before yourself.

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LAUREN RODDA: Yeah.

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AMANDA MOK: Definitely.

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AUDIENCE: I know [INAUDIBLE].

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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AUDIENCE: His name was Homer.

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He was actually a leader of--

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he was the second leader
of the-- there was

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an empire after [INAUDIBLE].

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He would do-- he would do
things like wander around

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the city at night and make sure
everybody was satisfied when--

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he would make sure that nobody
went hungry or anything.

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And he would do it himself.

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[INAUDIBLE]

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LAUREN RODDA: Yeah,
that's a good example.

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So some of the
examples we've heard,

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it's like singular people,
but servant leadership,

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all you've been saying
is serving the people,

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being among the people,
which is a very general word.

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But can you do it by yourself?

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AUDIENCE: No.

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You need help no
matter what you think.

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The one person can change a
lot of people's perspective.

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They can't do anything alone.

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You need somebody [INAUDIBLE].

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AUDIENCE: And support,
always, to do anything.

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LAUREN RODDA: So when
you see a servant leader,

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they have to
understand that people

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are trying to aid or help,
if that's their vision,

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to support those around them.

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You have to be
able to empathize.

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You have to have the
cooperation of the people.

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Because if they don't--

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if you think this thing
would be great for them,

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but it's not what
they need, but it's

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effective towards your goal.

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So [INAUDIBLE].

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[LAUGHTER]

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OK.

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So is there anything missing?

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AUDIENCE: Other
kinds of leaders?

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LAUREN RODDA: Sure.

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Yeah.

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AUDIENCE: Tyrannical?

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LAUREN RODDA: What?

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AUDIENCE: Tyrannical leaders?

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LAUREN RODDA: Tyrannical?

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Is that what you said?

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OK.

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AUDIENCE: Dictator [INAUDIBLE].

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LAUREN RODDA: So give
us some qualities

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of a tyrannical leader.

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AUDIENCE: They
rule through fear.

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LAUREN RODDA: Rule by fear.

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AUDIENCE: Or they can rule
[INAUDIBLE] not always fear,

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in Hitler's case.

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LAUREN RODDA: OK.

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Anybody else?

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A leader?

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I by no means say this
is everything, I just.

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AUDIENCE: It's not.

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LAUREN RODDA: These are some.

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Are people a combination?

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Sure.

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Right?

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Nobody fits in a box.

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All right.

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Woo-hoo!

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OK.

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So yes.

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These are four types of leaders.

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And it's good to think about
what qualities a leader--

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what qualities you have and what
qualities people around you.

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If you find a cause that you're
really interested in helping

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work towards, then
it's good to understand

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how the system works.

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How your boss or your president
or anyone who's a leader.

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Your teacher.

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Hot it works, so that it
can be most effective.

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AMANDA MOK: And also,
when you become a leader,

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understanding who you're
working with and how they work.

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So for example, someone you're
working with who is technically

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their leader, if they work
in a more transactional way,

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then you switch to that mode,
into a transactional leader.

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But if someone's more of
a transformational leader,

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they want someone
to help them, then

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you switch to that
transformational leader role.

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So you have to take on all
these different aspects

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of leadership.

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It's not just one
way for one goal.

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There's always a multitude
of ways to do something.

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LAUREN RODDA: Yeah.

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So just think about it.